Habari: Is it going to hell?
I have had a bit of the falling out with the Habari crowd. That might be because I think they are going about certain aspects of their operation in a half assed way and I feel powerless to influence it. It may be just because I am a miserable son of a bitch who is apparently - difficult to work with. But I am interested in interface development. The official site for the Habari Project in this respect is very instructive.
Here is the spiffy design in Firefox. Completely unlike Khaled's vision so who is designing it?
And here it is in IE 6 which is roughly 60% of the target market
That is the latest screenie from Net Renderer as at September 17.
So that gives us two questions:
Would you download software from these people?
And how well do you think the admin panel is going to be coded?
If it follows the pace of Shuttle - and there is every indication it will - you are still going to be waiting for product in eighteen months time.
Oh I forgot to mention. One of the first links you encounter is a screencast monstrosity (under construction). There go all developers interested in standards. And the link in the main h menu *How to contribute* goes - wtf - offsite someplace else. And the er content? Bunch of feeds from Google. How lazy is that? Even Michael Heilemann does not normally make this much mess.
And btw here is the validation result for the Habari Project. Invalid HTML 4.01 transitional for some reason with 38 errors.
Update
In fairness i now need to point out that these issues do now - partly seem to have been fixed. :)
The screenshots are MIA.
Comment by Christian Mohn Sep 16, 12:20 AM #
Wierd. The screenshots keep coming and going. Kind of spoils the effect. :)
Comment by Root Sep 16, 09:46 AM #
http://browsershots.org/http://habariproject.org/ says that your IE is just weird. My local tests with IE 5.5, 6.0 and 7.0 also show no weirdness at hp.o. The validations errors are not nice, but funny enough, just by linking to them, you get the same kinds of errors (since you don’t escape the ampersand to the amp entity in the URL). Let he who is without sin, etc.
Comment by moeffju Sep 16, 10:34 PM #
Well the IE 6.0 is not mine. It is a browser shot. Tried 3 times. And as I understand it the approved html spec for Habari is 4.0 strict.
Comment by Root Sep 17, 07:45 AM #
Now you have an IE 5.x screenshot with broken PNG behavior. NetRenderer with IE6 shows no broken PNGs, only IE 5.5 does that. That is consistent with my local tests.
The only place were we are close to having an “approved html spec for Habari” is the Habari admin interface. Themes are completely independent.
Comment by http://moeffju.net/ Sep 17, 04:33 PM #
Right, I was confused about the field order. Sorry ‘bout that.
Comment by moeffju Sep 17, 04:40 PM #
Well I agree it seems to work now. But you need javascript enabled and it clearly does not run smoothly in all browsers. That is completely contrary to the first principle of web standards. And it may not be approved Habari wide, but the case for html 4 strict was argued pretty conclusively. The case for html 4 trans – well I just dont know what that is about. Not that it validated anyway. But heck: just throw it together and hope it works. Why not?
Comment by Root Sep 17, 06:45 PM #